Since this year is such an anomaly (I hope), I’m going to give the overall nod in this category to the .223 Rem. The .223 Rem. I would say the 223 is an experts caliber. Comparing both cartridges in 7.5 pound rifles, the .223 firing a 62 grain bullet at a 3,020 fps. Then of course there’s the long range rock star competitive round 6.5 Creedmoor against the .223/5.56 combat load issue of the military and well known among recreational shooters. load will reliably kill a deer out to 500 yards. vs. .30-06 Springfield Three of the most revered deer-hunting rounds in a head-to-head-to-head comparison By Ron Spomer Vs. .243 Win. In this comparison, the .243 Win. November 11, 2019. ... 243 Win. Shooters who would never think of shooting a .416 Rem. It is hotter than a .222 but not as hot as a .22-250, so there should be no worry about barrel wear and reduced life. I am a short action fan and would not reccomend the .270 for a woman. Ballistically speaking, these calibers would be cousins rather than brothers. This is a good illustration of the recoil. As a rule of thumb, when it comes to hunting, muzzle energy is what many hunters look at when deciding on what caliber of firearm / ammunition to select. Mag. As I’ve stated before: the .223 Remington and .308 Winchester are both solid rifle cartridges. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .223 Remington vs .243 Winchester ammo rounds. For many hunters, the .223 Rem. A .243 will wear you down during extended shooting, the recoil and muzzle blast will just tire you out after a couple of hours of shooting if not sooner. My wife has no trouble managing the.243 recoil and many friend's/relative's wives and kids own and use a … Cartridge Type: Rifle Height: 2.045" Width: 0.473" Average FPS: 3179 Average Energy: 1952 Average Gr: 87 Recoil: 1.25 Power Rank: 2.77 of 20 . Your best bet would be a bolt action 223 since ammo is so prevelent and inexpensive, compare prices of 223 and 22-250 and you'll see what i mean. Generally speaking, a heavier bullet travelling faster will give you a better chance of putting down an animal. Recoil will be affected by the load and the rifle, but here is some general info on recoil energy..243 - about 8lbs.260 - about 10lbs.257 - about 10lbs.25-06 - about 12.5lbs.270 - about 18lbs. Please email us if you have questions about any of our product listings. Sniper. I wouldn't worry about it. The prices on Federal’s website don’t appear to have risen, but elsewhere I’ve seen .223 Rem. .223 vs .243 The .223 is going to be easier on wallet and recoil less. In non-pandemic times, the .223 Rem. There’s no shame in admitting and owning this. [Re: … But this is not a normal year. Recoil is the downfall of many shooters, men as well as women, adults as well as kids, heavyweights as well as lightweights. The .223 is a smaller bullet not just in size but, a good deal in weight and does not have the range or power that the .243 has. So the .223 and .243 are very different cartridges. wins hands-down. The .223 is a great varmint round and is cheaper to shoot that the .243 as well. Diving deeper, Winchester says it has nearly 63% less recoil than the 450 Bushmaster, 18% less than .243 Win, and 11% less than 30-30 Win. Still, recoil can be daunting for newcomers to the sport and might play a role in the decision-making process. The .308—a fine design in and of itself—has been responsible for a number of successful cartridges, but the .243 has to be the most successful. The major difference deals less with size and more with pressure. “Versatility” refers to both range of bullet weights available and range of actions chambered in a specific cartridge. The latter two are more common, but Henry makes a sweet lever gun called the “Long Ranger” in both calibers. What I want is a lighter cal rifle that is a pleasure to shoot and still can take white tailed size game. I estimate that fifteen foot pounds of free recoil energy and 10 fps of recoil velocity represent the approximate upper limit of the comfort level. [Re: new2turkey] ARCOREY Die Hard Member with a vengeance Registered: 12/27/05 Posts: 4839 Loc: USA If in doubt, get a Simms slip on recoil pad for him and have at it. yukonal. It's also 1000 yard capable, and has low recoil , lower than the .260 Rem. You didn’t have to pull my arm out of it’s socket for that solution. As illustrated in the chart, .223 Remington rounds - on average - achieve a velocity of about 3150 feet per second (fps) while .243 Winchester rounds travel at a velocity of 3180 fps. If you want a hunting rifle that's incredibly accurate with very little recoil, a .243 is all you need. A 243 Winchester versus 7mm-08 Remington match-up will cause some readers to raise the "apples to oranges" red flag, but that doesn't mean this comparison is out-of-bounds. is the most popular rifle in America, and Weatherby offers tack-driving bolt guns in both calibers in a wide variety of configurations. Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by browning308, Feb 10, 2011. A .223 Rem. The recoil is still no problemo. It can be measured or computed … Such as my state of Washington requires .24 caliber/6mm minimum. What does the recoil of a 25-06 compare to? As to just target shooting,both are equally accurate at that range but .243 costs more to shoot. Don't discount the .243 Winchester as a long range cartridge. +1 223 has no recoil I may be wrong because only 243 I've ever fired was loud as hell and booted like hell bit it was a … That extends the maximum effective range all the way to 350 yards, depending on your velocity at the muzzle. Then of course there’s the long range rock star competitive round 6.5 Creedmoor against the .223/5.56 combat load issue of the military and well known among recreational shooters. It's very possible that you'll get the bug to go hunting in the future,and if you do-the .243 will be your best bet then. If you’re up for … There seem to be a never ending discussion about what caliber is the best and what weapon to use, especially when it comes to hunting. But you're still talking about 10-11 ft lbs of recoil, which isn't much. In my opinion, I would stay away from getting a bull barrel for a kid. The .243 Win. I have to ask however if you are ever going to decide to hunt with it? If anyone is willing to take me shooting the 243 I will be eternally grateful. Inside the gun community there are always talks about which is the better caliber, such as .308 vs the .243 or 9mm against the .45 ACP. When it comes to availability, it’s always good to bet on the NATO caliber. It’s true that bullet construction and shot placement will kill an animal more effectively than poor shooting with a huge caliber. If you're looking for a cheap shooting round to acclimate you to shooting, the .223 is cheap, and the .22LR is cheaper yet. But your past doesn’t define you, and it doesn’t define these calibers either. Also, the effects of recoil are cumulative. A 243 is a.308 case necked down to.243 I have seen the splash in my scope many times with both but the.243 has more recoil. Of the cartridges designed to work in standard AR15 rifles the 6.5 Grendel or some variant of the 6.8's are the only ones that really improve on 223 ballistics. vs. .243 Win. isn’t uncomfortable, but compared to the .223 Rem., it’s snappy (depending on your rifle, of course). 22-250 vs 223 vs 204 Ruger vs 220 Swift: Ammunition Selection produces about half the felt recoil of the .243 Win. Both the .22-250 and .220 Swift are very flat shooting, retain more kinetic energy, and have less wind drift than the .204 Ruger and .223 Remington. was developed by Winchester in 1955 for use in its Model 70 bolt-action and Model 88 lever-action rifles. I wouldn't worry about it. This is usually achieved by determining the maximum range at which a bullet has retained enough velocity to fully expand. May 14. Written By Ron Spomer The sun was on the Nebraska horizon and a Mossberg 243 Winchester bolt-action was on my shoulder when a herd of November whitetails exploded from a copse of trees and scattered into the Sandhills. If you want to go to a 6.5 eventually start there, use the money for a 223 and put it toward reloading components or ammo. Posts: 3,239. yukonal. For just a little bit more recoil though, the 243 maintains deer-relevant energy much further than both the 300 Blackout and 223. cartridges are currently listed as available. But even with full power stuff like Hornady 75 gr. Capable of using the same bullets that the .22-250 and .220 Swift were pushing, the .223 gave a respectable and useable trajectory, with less recoil, in a smaller package. That’s still not a heck of a lot to start with and it helps make this round a great recoil-sensitive, range-limited rifle round. In his excellent handbook, “Cartridges of the World,” Frank C. Barnes describes the .30-0... Our picks for the week’s best hunting, fishing, wild foods, and conservation content. For this reason, we are going to spend a little time discussing it in the context of the 6.5 Creedmoor vs .243. It’s a small-to-medium sized game caliber whose primary use has been taking down four-legged rather than two-legged critters. Fire a 120-grain in the 7mm-08 at 3100 fps to get 17.5 f-p at 12.7 fps. A lot of factors go into the actual “felt recoil” that we can’t put numbers on for comparison. Whitetail Deer Cartridge Shoot-Out: .30-30 Win. We have a variety of deals on Rifle Ammo, Handgun Ammo, Shotgun Ammo & Rimfire Ammo, as well as ammo for target practice, plinking, hunting, or shooting competitions. produces about half the felt recoil of the .243 Win. Make no mistake the 223 will DRT any deer with proper shot placement and shot placement above all things takes game. It has little to no more felt recoil than the 223, and is a better round if you are hunting deer. I’m not saying your .243 Win. True .223 Remington and .243 Winchester ballistics information can vary widely from the displayed information, and it is important to understand that the particular characteristics of a given round can make a substantive difference in its true performance. Remember that. generates only 4.07 ft. lbs. I was in a store ready to get one but it has to be special ordered and of course a 243 in stainless on his shelf is gonna cost me alot less then ordering a 25-06. With dozens of countries relying on the .223/5.56 to arm their infantry, there’s usually plenty of it to go around. isn’t uncomfortable, but compared to the .223 Rem., it’s snappy (depending on your rifle, of course). RE: Recoil .223 VS .243 i had the same delema years back,wanted a 223 for predators but realised this cartridge wasn't good for deer.went with the 243 and love it.its fun to shoot(all day if need be)and there realy is no recoil to speak of.i can watch the bullet hit its intended target thru the scope every time,if the 243 had major recoil this wouldn't be possible. Shooting forum Centerfire rifles. But even with full power stuff like Hornady 75 gr. 10 Early Ice … I've fired both and the 22-250 typically has more recoil because I shoot faster loads in it. In terms of comfort, the .223 Rem. Not a huge difference, but more than enough for many shooters. I like that .243 has substantially more ft. lbs of energy. wins the availability battle. 95-grain: 9 foot pounds: 8.5 fps: 223 Rem. Just my 2 cent. bullet weight, rifle weight, barrel length, barrel twist, barrel wear, angle of stock, etc.) Re: .243 & 7mm-08, recoil difference...how much? It was developed in 1957 for an experimental rifle known as the AR-15. Much louder than a 223. Where before this year you could find .223 Rem. As far as a hunting cartridge goes the .243 is one of the most versatile cartridges there are. Flashing tails, leaping legs, long necks and there! That is to say, .223 Remington bullets travel 3.6 times the speed of a 737 airplane at cruising speed, while .243 Winchester bullets travel 3.6 times that same speed. double in price. However, since the difference between them (223 vs 308) is pretty big in certain respects, each cartridge is better suited to specific situations than the other. So a .223 Remington round exits the barrel with kinetic energy equal to the energy required for linear vertical displacement of 1250 pounds through a one foot distance, while a .243 Winchester round exiting the barrel has energy equal to the amount required to displace 1950 pounds over the same one foot distance. By contrast, six of Federal’s 17 .243 Win. For more detailed ballistics information please refer to the exact round in question or contact the manufacturer for the pertinent information. Anonymous. If you only want to get to 600 a 223 can do it but so could the ar you already have. It does make some noise and does recoil more than a "little" .223 but it can reach out and touch someone (some varmint) way better than the .223. hans471, Feb 11, 2011 #6. mc223 Member. To put this into perspective, a Boeing 737 commercial airliner travels at a cruising speed of 600 mph, or 880 fps. When looking at the .22LR vs .223, the truth is that the .223 is, in fact, a .22 caliber round. Theoretically, if all other variables (e.g. can push a 75-grain projectile about 3,300 feet per second at the muzzle and achieves about 1,800 foot-pounds of energy. Shootability Here’s a look at three of the best. Added powder increases velocity and energy, which translates to what the Internet calls “knock-down power” (more on that later). The .223 Rem. Every major manufacturer makes a bolt gun in both calibers, so that’s not a distinguishing factor. When it comes to Remington rifle, one of the most discussed issue is the use of .22-250 or .223 caliber. BTHP T2 TAP 5.56 NATO. Big bucks, land management, rut reports, and tips for the whitetail obsessed. Please click the above links to take a look at all of the .223 Remington and .243 Winchester ammo we have in stock and ready to ship, and let us know any parting thoughts in the comment section below. A .223 you can shoot hundreds of rounds over many hours without feeling the effects like you would from a .243. Top #2012095 - 10/04/11 09:06 PM Re: recoil comparison of a .223 and a .243? Barnes lists 12 bullet weights commercially available for .243 Win., ranging from a 55-grain boat tail to a 105-grain hollow-point boat tail. Introduced only two years apart, the .223 Remington and the .243 Winchester couldn’t have come from more different neighborhoods of the firearms world. , Comments have to be approved before showing up, © 2021 Foundry Outdoors - All Rights Reserved, Product successfully added to your Shopping Cart, 223 WSSM Winchester Super Short Magnum Ammo, 243 WSSM Winchester Super Short Magnum Ammo, 25 WSSM Winchester Super Short Magnum Ammo, 300 RSAUM Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum Ammo, 7mm RSAUM Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum Ammo, .223 Remington vs .243 Winchester Ammo Comparison - Ballistics Info & Chart. 67 posts • Page 1 of 3 • 1, 2, 3. Some prefer higher caliber weapons, while some prefer smaller ones, with less recoil and better aim. 6.5 Creedmoor vs 223 Inside the gun community there are always talks about which is the better caliber, such as .308 vs the .243 or 9mm against the .45 ACP. The .243 Win. 22=250's CAN burn out a barrel faster than a 223 will, depending on the velocity of ammo used, and frequency of use. Bolt action rifles, lever action, pump action, self loading rifles and other miscellaneous longarms. Just make sure your gun is … Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by browning308, Feb 10, 2011. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. One way to think about this is as such: a foot-pound is a unit of energy equal to the amount of energy required to raise a weight of one pound a distance of one foot. 243 Winchester vs. 30-30 Win. A quick video showcasing the 223 and 243 cartridges against my fake deer target. +1 223 has no recoil I may be wrong because only 243 I've ever fired was loud as hell and booted like hell bit it was a … BTHP T2 TAP 5.56 NATO. Capable of using the same bullets that the .22-250 and .220 Swift were pushing, the .223 gave a respectable and useable trajectory, with less recoil, in a smaller package. Our website lists special deals on 9mm Ammo, 10mm Ammo, 45-70 Ammo, 6.5 Creedmoor ammo, 300 Blackout Ammo, 10mm Ammo, 5.56 Ammo, Underwood Ammo, Buffalo Bore Ammo and more special deals on bulk ammo. They help a good bit and are easily removed. Some have reported taking bears or elk, but at that point, you might be pushing it. #3350940 10/01/09: Joined: Mar 2008. what i find funny is a 22 cal. Recoil of the 350 Legend will be almost exactly the same as 243. I've fired both and the 22-250 typically has more recoil because I shoot faster loads in it. Of the cartridges designed to work in standard AR15 rifles the 6.5 Grendel or some variant of the 6.8's are the only ones that really improve on 223 ballistics. Equally important to the gun you choose is a good scope with sufficient eye relief. Generally speaking, (very generally; calm down, everyone) a .223 Rem. Campfire Guide. 64-grain: 3.3 foot pounds: 5.1 fps Fire any of the above in a heavier rifle and all felt recoil goes down. Ballistics Cartridges Shooting. However, since the difference between them (223 vs 308) is pretty big in certain respects, each cartridge is better suited to specific situations than the other. It even has over 14% more energy than 300 Blackout, 15% more than 30-30 Win, and 49% more than .223 Rem. Federal’s 55-grain Trophy Cooper, for example, has a minimum velocity for full expansion of only 1,800 fps. The .243 Winchester is a round used to hunt deer and similar sized animals, some people use it on larger animals but it really isn't made for anything much bigger than a deer. You see, although the cartridges are essentially the same size, the leade of the barrel is different. Whatever you do make sure you get a stock that fits her. 204 vs 223 vs 22-250 vs 243. To put this into perspective, a Boeing 737 commercial airliner travels at a cruising speed of 600 mph, or 880 fps. A quick video showcasing the 223 and 243 cartridges against my fake deer target. Still, recoil can be daunting for newcomers to the sport and might play a role in the decision-making process. can’t kill a deer past 220 yards. Again, the above is for comparative information purposes only, and you should consult the exact ballistics for the particular .223 Remington or .243 Winchester cartridge you're looking at purchasing. 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